1952-9-23 Jersey Joe Walcott contra Rocky Marciano I (FOTY)

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1. The Rock was one of the toughest, hardest and smartest boxers to have ever stepped inside a ring!

2. Jeez … a lot of people seem to be triggered by Marciano’s greatness.

   It was also a different era of boxing … boxers HIT each other more back then.

3. Stout Krout is the KING of comments! My hat goes off to you sir!

4. 44 Marciano opponents: We see their entire-CAREER record, not a partial record. Seeing a boxers complete resume gives a more accurate evaluation how good, or how bad they are. Professional boxers can easily be evaluated using US school grades A, B, C, D, and F.

   Lee Epperson – 0 wins 1 loss with 0% KOs F-LEVEL
   Jimmy Weeks – 0 wins 1 loss with 0% KOs F-LEVEL
   Gilbert Cardone – 0 wins 3 losses with 0% KOs F-LEVEL
   John Edwards – 1 win 2 loss with 33% KOs F-LEVEL
   Bill Hardeman – 1 win 6 losses with 0% KOs F-LEVEL
   Humphrey Jackson – 4 wins 2 losses with 28% KOs F-LEVEL
   Harry Haft – 12 wins 8 losses with 35% KOs F-LEVEL
   James Connolly – 12 wins 9 losses with 33% KOs F-LEVEL
   Harry Bilazarian – 15 wins 12 losses with 35% KOs F-LEVEL
   Bob Jefferson – 3 wins 10 losses with 0% KOs F-LEVEL
   Harold Mitchell 4 wins 17 losses with 4% KOs F-LEVEL
   Gilley Ferron – 4 wins 13 losses with 17% KOs F-LEVEL
   Artie Donato – 7 wins 13 losses with 10% KOs F-LEVEL
   Johnny Pretzie – 10 wins 13 losses with 33% KOs F-LEVEL
   Don Mogard – 20 wins 16 losses with 15% KOs F-LEVEL
   Pete Louthis – 32 wins 14 losses with 35% KOs D-LEVEL
   Tommy DiGiorgio – 9 wins 15 losses with 4% KOs F-LEVEL
   Kenne Simmons – 9 wins 22 losses with 12% KOs F-LEVEL
   Art Henri -18 wins 29 losses with 18% KOs F-LEVEL
   Jimmy Walls – 20 wins 41 losses with 7% KOs F-LEVEL
   Ted Lowry – 71 wins 68 losses with 30% KOs F-LEVEL
   Ted Lowry (twice) – 71 wins 68 losses with 30% KOs F-LEVEL
   Gino Buonvino – 24 wins 15 losses with 10% KOs F-LEVEL
   Gino Buonvino (twice) – 24 wins 15 losses with 10% KOs F-LEVEL
   Joe Dominic – 18 wins 12 losses with 33% KOs F-LEVEL
   Eldridge Eatman – 22 wins 21 losses with 22% KOs F-LEVEL
   Willis Applegate -12 wins 16 losses with 13% KOs F-LEVEL
   Lee Savold – 104 wins 45 losses with 50% KOs D-LEVEL
   Phil Muscato – 56 wins 23 losses with 25% KOs D-LEVEL
   Bill Wilson – 56 wins 27 losses with 51% KOs D-LEVEL
   Johnny Shkor – 31 wins 19 losses with 42% KOs F-LEVEL
   Fred Beshore – 35 wins 17 losses with 24% KOs D-LEVEL

   Jimmy Evans – 18 wins 8 losses with 50% KOs looks okay until you see he fought 10 opponents with 10 fights or less.

   Eddie Ross – 19 wins 5 losses with 72% KOs looks okay until you see he fought 10 debuting amateurs and 7 other opponents with 10 fights or less.

   Bob Quinn – 20 wins 4 losses with 58% KOs looks okay until you see he fought 13 opponents with 10 fights or less.

   Bernie Reynolds – 53 wins 13 losses with 49% KOs looks okay until you see he fought 30 opponents with 15 fights or less.

   Pat Richards – 24 wins 9 losses with 39% KOs looks okay until you see he fought 20 opponents with 10 fights or less.

   Carmine Vingo – 16 wins 2 losses with 38% KOs looks good until you see ALL 16 wins came against F-LEVEL opponents.

   Don Cockell – 66 wins 14 losses with 46% KOs looks okay until you see the majority of his career was at middleweight and light heavyweight. By the time he faced Marciano he was suffering from severe glandular disorders that wreaked havoc with his physique. He was sallow-skinned, fat, and had a nasty boil on his neck.

   Harry Matthews – 90 wins 7 losses with 58% KOs is a good B-LEVEL resume. Problem is he was a natural middleweight moonlighting at light heavyweight. Matthews weighed 130 lbs vs. Joey Parks who also weighed 130. Shouldn't one have to beat credible Heavyweight opponents to be respected as a legitimate Heavyweight champion?

   Even Marciano's best 3 opponents Walcott-Charles-Moore lost (68) times and were KO'd (20) times. Marciano never faced an elite fighter in his prime. Name one, just one prime elite fighter Marciano beat? Failing to name even one proves my comment rings true. Show me any respected boxing publication or analyst that claims Walcott Charles Moore were in their prime when they fought Marciano?

   In the old days, ringers could boost their income by fighting repeatedly. Padding your record against weak opponents can yield good results— the real stumblebums are the guys who make a career of losing. In small-time fights, the less-talented fighter often gets the bulk of the cash; he is, after all, providing a valuable service by losing so reliably–The Ring Magazine

   IT'S CLEAR AS DAY WHY HE WENT 49-0
   WAY TOO MANY HOMELESS WALK-IN F-LEVEL BOXERS TAKIN-DIVES AND PADDIN RECORDS FOR EASY $$$ OR BEING FORCED TO BY THE SICILIAN UNDERWORLD THAT CONTROLLED EVERY SINGLE FACET OF BOXING DURING THE 1950s

   EVEN LITTLE ROCKY HAD SICILIAN MAFIA BOSS CARBO IN HIS BACK POCKET PROTECTING HIM BECAUSE THEY WERE MAKING MILLIONS THROUGH HIM

   THEY DIDN'T LITERALLY CONTROL HIM BUT THEY DID TAKE 60% OF ALL HIS EARNINGS AND VERY CAREFULLY PADDED HIS RECORD AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE

   The entire eastern seaboard was Italian, it was all Italian. Even the commissioner of boxing was Italian. Al Weill, Rocky's mafioso manager and matchmaker at the Garden took 50% and all ticket sales which pushed it closer to 60%. Marciano had no choice but to comply or no contract.

   Enormous criminal empires had been built on the supply of illegal liquor during the Prohibition era. Italian Al Capone’s the most infamous among them. When prohibition came to an end in 1933, after more than a decade of lucrative and bloody endeavour for the Mob, they needed something new. Access to the machinery of boxing, a wilfully unfettered anarchy proved remarkably easy to acquire. Boxing was now fertile ground for the Mafia.

   They controlled it all, from the trainers and managers to the reporting journalists, with a combination of intimidation and financial backing ensuring everybody the mob wanted was under their control.

   THE DAY AFTER RETIREMENT HE IMMEDIATELY ABANDONED HIS KIDS AND WIFE TO CONNECT WITH HIS UNDERWORLD FRIENDS WHO HELPED HIM START HIS LOANSHARKING BUSINESS

5. Rex Layne – 50 wins 17 losses with an abysmal 48% KOs C-LEVEL Keep in mind that C-LEVEL is an average fighter that's still capable of winning a title. Layne scores an extremely low 15 points for his top 10 ranked appearances throughout his career. Who did he beat? His best win was against Walcott but everybody beat Jersey Joe so no biggie.

   Jersey Joe Walcott – 49 wins 20 losses with an abysmal 44% KOs C-LEVEL Walcott scores 55 points for his top 10 positions. Walcott fought for the title 6 times and lost 5 times. He's more famous for his losses than his wins. Ali scored 164 points, Louis scored 138, Wladimir 136, Lennox 111, Holyfield 109, Holmes 88, Foreman 86, Frazier 84, Tyson 77 and little Marciano only scored 48 points! Ali is the only Heavyweight with an A+ LEVEL. Marciano is B-LEVEL for his weak competition and lack of points. (I'll ad a comment below thoroughly explaining Walcott's C-LEVEL resume in detail).

   Archie Moore – 186 wins 23 losses with a-low-power 60% KOs A-LEVEL at light heavyweight and C-LEVEL at Heavyweight. Moore accumulated 156 points at light heavyweight and only 21 at Heavyweight. Moore misses his A+ LEVEL at Light heavyweight because (23) losses is too many. Ali only had 5, Louis only had 3, Lennox only had 2, Wladimir only had 5, Liston only had 4, Vitali only had 2, Bowe only had 1 etc. BUT BUT Moore had 220 Fights!!! Well little Rocky only had 49 so stop whining.

   Ezzard Charles – 95 wins 25 losses with the lowest ever 42% KOs A-LEVEL at light heavyweight and B-minus LEVEL at Heavyweight. Charles only compiled 24 points at light heavyweight and 59 points at Heavyweight. Too many losses Fight 4 fights lose 1, fight 4 lose 1, fight 4 lose 1, fight 4 lose 1, fight 4 lose 1. Y'all act as if (25) losses are Meaningless. If Fury or Usyk has only (1) loss they'd be thrown under the bus for eternity just like undisputed undefeated light heavyweight champion Michael Spinks was. — ESPN Ringside – Rocky Marciano @35:01 Bert Sugar said, "His trainer, Ray Arcel said, that even now, at this stage in 51, and then on into the middle 50s, you could see the beginning, the traces of the disease, that would later claim his life, Lou Gehrig's disease in Charles."

   People forget when they talk about the fights between Marciano and Ezzard Charles that Charles was showing symptoms of ALS. William Dettloff’s book Ezzard Charles: A Boxing Life documents that Charles first felt weakness in his limbs, and some numbness, in 1951 – before he battled Rocky Marciano, Charles was already suffering from the symptoms of ALS, (amyotrophic lateral sclerosis), also known as “Lou Gehrig’s disease.” It is notable when around the time Charles lost to Joe Walcott in 1951, Dettloff records that his family had noticed signs of what they would learn later was ALS.

   In summary: Ray Arcel who loved Ezzard like a son, said, "Charles had traces of ALS in 51." Ezzard's own family members said, "they noticed signs of ALS in 51." Ezzard Charles (himself) said he, "felt weakness in his limbs, and some numbness, in 51."

   Trying to deny the fact that Charles had weakness in his limbs (ALS) against Marciano in 1954 is not possible because the eye test does not lie. It happened and is well documented so it can never be swept under the carpet. That horrible Motor neurone gene presented itself in 1951 if not earlier. Ezzard Charles was only 53 when he passed – Rest easy champ.

6. Immediately after Bert said that, Bill Gallo chimes in and says, "Ray Arcel was a good friend of mine and he told me he loved Ezzard Charles like a son." — which brings us to whatever happened to the famous Ray Arcel ???

   "After some disputes with president Jim Norris of The International Boxing Club of New York (IBC) in the 1950s, Ray Arcel (trainer for Charles) retired from training after being injured with a lead pipe during an attack in Boston. The case that was never solved by police." –Wiki

   "In the early fifties, Arcel ran afoul of organized crime after arranging fights for the ABC television network. The matches competed with other network television fights run by the IBC, known to have underworld ties. In September 1953, in front of a Boston hotel, Arcel was struck on the head with a lead pipe. Many believed that the assault was related to his work in television. Arcel recovered but dropped out of boxing soon after the incident. Not until the early 1970s did Arcel return. He began an eight-year association with Roberto Duran." –International Boxing Hall Of Fame

   And Sports journalist Bert Sugar was inducted into the International Boxing Hall of Fame for his vast amount of boxing knowledge. Mr. Sugar was widely regarded as the “boxing bible." Sugar wrote more than 80 books and was ranked as "The Greatest Boxing Writer of the 20th Century" by the International Veterans Boxing Association. Among his boxing books are Sting like a Bee, Great Fights, Bert Sugar on Boxing, 100 Years of Boxing, The 100 Greatest Boxers of All Time, The Thrill of Victory, The Ageless Warrior and Boxing's Greatest Fighters.

7. There are few Heavyweight champions in the history of boxing that are better known for their losses than their wins. Jersey Joe Walcott's high profile losses is what elevated his status and built up his credentials, not his wins.

   During his peak championship years, Walcott scored 7 wins with 5 KO's. Only one of those KO's came against a ranked fighter, that being Ezzard Charles. During this time Walcott also lost 7 times and suffered 10 count KO's 3 times and a 9 count once. In total fights during this time Walcott's record was 7-7. In title fights he went 2-6 with 1 KO win and 3 KO losses. He fought 3 different men in his 8 title fights, was defeated by each of them twice, KO'd by two of them and only defeated one of them.

   In his overall career Walcott had a 49-20-1 record and was KO'd 6 times (BoxRec). Based on these less than impressive stats it is difficult to consider him anymore than a good Journeyman.

   Walcott scored 32 KO's in 70 fights. The 'only two' 'ranked' fighters Walcott ever KO'd was an off the floor 10th round win over Curtis Sheppard and the lightning in the bottle KO of Ezzard Charles.

   Walcott is a prime example of boxing historians rating a fighter higher than he deserves based on impressive losses. Walcott was winless in all 4 of his fights vs. Louis/Marciano and was KO'd 3 times.

   The fact that Walcott was granted 6 title attempts in a 6 year span speaks volumes about how weak the Heavyweight division must have been at this time. ""Five"" of these title opportunities came immediately after a Walcott loss.

   Had Walcott been fighting in the 60's, 70's, 80's, 90's, 2000's, there is no-way he would have been granted this many opportunities after losing so-many title attempts.

   Walcott should at best be remembered not as a great Heavyweight champion, but a good C-LEVEL Journeyman.

   If a fighter today had 20 losses and was KO'd 6 times he'd be considered F-LEVEL all day every day. Wilder and Joshua only have 5 losses between them yet they are already considered has-beens. But it's perfectly fine for Walcott Charles Moore to have (68) losses, double standard.

   Lennox Lewis was only KO'd 2 times and his top-10 ranking has suffered ever since. But it's perfectly fine for Walcott Charles Moore to have been KO'd (20) times, double standard.

8. Journeyman Jersey Joe Walcott's 20 losses:

   1. ln 1930 Walcott lost to 159-lb Palmer. WHERE'S THE HEAVYWEIGHTS. Marciano was SEVEN years old.

   2. In 1930 Walcott lost to 158-lb Carl Mays. WHERE'S THE HEAVYWEIGHTS. Marciano was EIGHT years old.

   3. In 1933 Walcott lost to 177-lb Henry Taylor. WHERE'S THE HEAVYWEIGHTS. Marciano was TEN years old.

   4. In 1936 Walcott was KOd by 191-lb Al Ettore. Marciano was THIRTEEN years old.

   5. In 1936 Walcott lost to 179-lb Billy Ketchell. WHERE'S THE HEAVYWEIGHTS. Marciano was THIRTEEN years old.

   6. In 1937 Walcott was KOd by 178-lb Tiger Jack Fox. WHERE'S THE HEAVYWEIGHTS. Marciano was FOURTEEN years old.

   7. In 1937 Walcott lost to 174-lb George Brothers. WHERE'S THE HEAVYWEIGHTS. Marciano was FOURTEEN years old.

   8. In 1938 Walcott lost to 184-lb Tiger Jack Fox AGAIN. WHERE'S THE HEAVYWEIGHTS. Marciano was FIFTEEN years old.

   9. In 1938 Walcott lost to 197-lb Roy Lazer. Marciano was FIFTEEN years old.

   10. In 1940 Walcott was KOd and sent into RETIREMENT for 3-years by 256-lb Abe Simon. A Super Heavyweight in every sense, he benefitted from a remarkable sixty-two pound weight advantage. Behind in points in the first five rounds, Simon unleashed a tremendous right @ 2:32 into the sixth causing the knockout. Walcott barely moved as he was counted out." — Wiki* ..Simon was sent into permanent RETIREMENT by Joe Louis in 1942. Marciano was SEVENTEEN years old.

   11. In 1945 Walcott lost to 204-lb Johnny Allen who had more losses than wins. Marciano was TWENTY TWO years old.

   12. In 1946 Walcott lost to 179-lb Joey Maxim. WHERE'S THE HEAVYWEIGHTS. Marciano was TWENTY THREE years old.

   13. In 1946 Walcott lost to 191-lb Elmer Ray. Marciano was TWENTY THREE years old.

   14. In 1947 Walcott lost to 212-pound Joe Louis. JOE LOUIS SAID HE BEAT WALCOTT IN THIS BOUT.. LOUIS ALSO SAID WALCOTT WAS OLDER THAN HE WAS (@ Louis vs. Walcott The Way it Was Part 1 and 2). Marciano was TWENTY FOUR years old.

   15. In 1948 Walcott was KOd by 213-lb Joe Louis. Louis barely got through the Journeyman so he announced his retirement March 1, 1949. Louis's once speedy reflexes were gone and it showed. Marciano was TWENTY FIVE years old.

   16. In 1949 Walcott lost to 181-lb Ezzard Charles. This fight was for the "vacant" Heavyweight title. WHERE'S THE HEAVYWEIGHTS. Marciano was TWENTY SIX years old.

   17. In 1950 Walcott lost to 192-lb Rex Layne. Marciano was TWENTY SEVEN years old.

   18. In 1951 Walcott lost to 185-lb Ezzard Charles AGAIN. WHERE'S THE HEAVYWEIGHTS. Marciano was TWENTY EIGHT years old.

   19. In 1952 Walcott was KOd by 184-lb Rocky Marciano. WHERE'S THE HEAVYWEIGHTS. Marciano was TWENTY NINE years old.

   IT IS OUT OF THE QUESTION THAT WALCOTT WAS IN HIS PRIME vs. MARCIANO BECAUSE IT'S SCIENTIFICALLY AND MATHEMATICALLY IMPOSSIBLE!!! AND JUST BECAUSE YOU SAY HE WAS PRIME DOES NOT MAKE IT TRUE!!! PUT WALCOTT AT (( 29 )) AND MARCIANO AT (( 38 )) – WHAT HAPPENS???

   20. In 1953 Walcott was KOd by 184-lb Rocky Marciano. WHERE'S THE HEAVYWEIGHTS. Marciano was THIRTY years old and Walcott was very close to FORTY!!!

   It was advantageous that Marciano started late because he was fresh while the others were already smashed around lik' bowling pins for (15) years. Also little Rocky did have an extensive amateur career. His uncle hung a heavy bag in the back yard when he was only 10 years old, and he had years of daily sparing while he was in the military.

9. Too many Rocky fans don't do a deep drive into examining his career. That magical 49-0 is the shiny coin so many can not see beyond. LaStarza was one of Marciano's best opponents, he was 37-0. How many of y'all actually studied the 37 guys LaStarza fought? Well here they are: We see their entire-CAREER record, not a partial record. Seeing a boxers complete resume gives a more accurate evaluation how good, or how bad they are. Professional boxers can easily be evaluated using US school grades A, B, C, D, and F.

   #37) Cesar Brion – 49 wins 11 losses with 36% KOs C-LEVEL looks okay until ya see how many of his wins came against his fellow Argentinians
   Walter Hafer – 22 wins 26 losses with 26% KOs F-LEVEL
   Joe Dominic – 18 wins 12 losses with 33% KOs F-LEVEL
   Jackie Lyons – 32 wins 24 losses with 23% KOs F-LEVEL
   Harry Haft – 12 wins 8 losses with 35% KOs F-LEVEL
   Jimmy Carollo – 36 wins 17 losses with 16% KOs D-LEVEL
   Eldridge Eatman – 22 wins 21 losses with 22% KOs F-LEVEL
   Gino Buonvino – 24 wins 15 losses with 10% KOs F-LEVEL
   Bill Weinberg – 44 wins 22 losses with 34% KOs D-LEVEL
   Gene Gosney – 14 wins 5 losses with 42% KOs C-minus-LEVEL
   Don Mogard – 20 wins 16 losses with 15% KOs F-LEVEL
   Mike Jacobs – 14 wins 16 losses with 12% KOs F-LEVEL
   Don Mogard – 20 wins 16 losses with 15% KOs F-LEVEL
   Mel McKinney – 8 wins 10 losses with 5% KOs F-LEVEL
   Teddy Georges – 0 wins 1 loss with 0% KOs F-LEVEL
   Oscar Goode – 43 wins 23 losses with 20% KOs D-LEVEL
   Tony Gangemi – 21 wins 18 losses with 26% KOs F-LEVEL
   Benny Rusk – 20 wins 17 losses with 27% KOs F-LEVEL
   Fred McManus – 18 wins 19 losses with 7% KOs F-LEVEL
   John Holloway – 2 wins 11 losses with 15% KOs F-LEVEL
   Claude McClintock – 1 win 9 losses with 0% KOs F-LEVEL
   Steve King – 21 wins 11 losses with 17% KOs D to F-LEVEL
   Jimmy White – 9 wins 17 losses with 11% KOs F-LEVEL
   Frankie Reed – 2 wins 14 losses with 0% KOs F-LEVEL
   Mike Belluscio – 15 wins 10 losses with 37% KOs F-LEVEL
   Luther McMillan – 13 wins 19 losses with 12% KOs F-LEVEL
   Fred Ramsey – 8 wins 12 losses with 28% KOs F-LEVEL
   Matt Mincy – 0 wins 11 losses with 0% KOs F-LEVEL
   Lorne McCarthy – 2 wins 11 losses with 0% KOs F-LEVEL
   Jimmy Evans – 18 wins 8 losses with 50% KOs D-LEVEL
   Matt Mincy – 0 wins 11 losses with 0% KOs F-LEVEL
   Zeke Brown – 0 wins 10 losses with 0% KOs F-LEVEL
   Jim Johnson – 3 wins 22 losses with 7% KOs F-LEVEL
   Jimmy Dodd – 8 wins 12 losses with 22% KOs F-LEVEL
   Al Zappala – 20 wins 27 losses with 9% KOs F-LEVEL
   Zack Johnson – 3 wins 7 losses with 10% KOs F-LEVEL
   Dave Glanton – 1 win 13 losses with 7% KOs F-LEVEL

   Lewis Watson, the boxing writer and historian, speaks of the artificial puffing up of records against cherry picked competition, saying: “Unbeaten records are fairly padded; you have to look if there are any notable victories coming against first rate competition."

   "Promoters lookin for a way to get their prizefighters a big payoff will first invest thousands of dollars in padding his numbers against truly horrendous opponents. A guy who’s undefeated at 37-0, for example, might not be any better than a more seasoned boxer with a lousy record." — The Ring Magazine

   THE WORST 37-0 EVER. Roland was well protected and very carefully managed. There are so many names from his era conspicuously missing from his record. LaStarza's only claim to fame was having lost a close decision to Marciano. End of story.

   "His reputation was built on the first Rocky fight. Although he had a long winning streak at the beginning of his career, there are no tough names on his record. After the first Marciano fight he could have forced the issue by meeting top fighters. He refused fights with Charles, Moore, Clarence Henry, Bob Baker etc. Lost and avenged to overstuffed light heavy Dan Bucceroni and to light heavy Rocky Jones and looked terrible against Jones in the rematch. The Jones win and a victory over the faded Rex Layne gave him the credentials to meet Rocky for the title. A fight I am told Rocky was more intent on giving Roland a beating for all of the talk that he "was afraid" to meet LaStarza again. Look at LaStarza's record there are no names on it except for Marciano. I have the complete film of the Jones rematch and believe me LaStarza looked terrible. LaStarza NEVER fought a dangerous opponent except Marciano and thats a fact if you know any of the fighters from his era. I am not saying that LaStarza was a coward but he (or, excuse me, his management) refused matches with Henry, Charles, Baker, and Archie Moore. In an article in RING magazine after his career LaStarza admitted as much, saying he wouldn't take those matches because he "deserved" a rematch with Marciano and thought he was offered the other matches by the IBC only because they were trying to knock him out of "his rightful shot at Marciano." Boo Hoo Hoo. Real, confident fighters go out and prove they deserve their shot by beating dangerous fighters to force a showdown with a champion." — Chuck Hasson Boxing Historian and Philly Boxing Founder

   LaStarza was coming off a loss and a win against 14-9-2 Rocky Jones. Layne had lost to the unrated 12-2 Willie James and a light heavyweight contender. The winner of this garbage gets a world title shot against a guy who already beat BOTH of them. Heavyweight contenders today aren't rated at the top after they lose to unranked journeymen and light heavyweights.

   LaStarza vs. Layne (uploader William Walker) reminds me of watching two midwest club fighters fightin a 4 rounder on an old ESPN card from Muncie, In. Two guys who were not well schooled, standing in front of each other acting like they were insulted if the other guy missed them with a punch. A lot of right hand leads, a lot of jabs with the rear foot leaving the canvas, little/no counter punching, just two guys willing to get hit but showing little boxing skill. Look how bad Rex Layne swings and misses. What an oaf.

10. BoxRec has officially listed these Rocky Marciano opponents as 'middleweights' and 'light' heavyweights:

    Eddie Ross – division "Middleweight"
    Harry Bilazarian – division "Middleweight"
    Archie Moore – division "Light heavy"
    Harry Matthews – division "Light heavy"
    Harry Haft – division "Light heavy"
    Ted Lowry – division "Light heavy"
    Willis Applegate – division "Light heavy"
    Bob Jefferson – division "Light heavy"
    Ezzard Charles – division "Light heavy"

    Apparently after 23 years BoxRec recently changed Ezzard Charles's division classification to "heavy" several days ago. It don't matter if they change it to the "Super-Heavy" division because he still only weighed '181-lbs' when he won his title and there is nothing BoxRec or anyone can do or say to change that Fact.

    Did the Klitschko brothers and Lennox Lewis have the luxury of fightin middleweights and light heavyweights? Of course not. Shouldn't one have to beat credible Heavyweight opponents to be respected as a legitimate Heavyweight champion?

    Marciano's small era was a huge contributing factor towards the "cruiserweight" division being created. There comes a point the size disparity becomes a bridge too far even for outstanding smaller boxers.

    Little Rocky was only 31 when he "QUIT" during his prime. He only fought a measly 7 years while everyone else fought 20 years. Many Heavyweights could have retired undefeated if they had "QUIT" after only 7 years.

    What Marciano did to his family is "unforgivable" During his retirement speech and his appearance on the Ed Sullivan show he said, "I want to spend more time with my family." That's not True. It was all a lie. He immediately abandoned his kids and wife to sleep with thousands then left them penniless–@ 1993/08/23 THE ROCK – Sports Illustrated Vault | SI

11. Marciano's first fight vs. LaStarza was officially called a draw That is until the mafioso stepped in on Rocky's behalf. We do know factually that Ross and Eatman Took-A-Dive ..Was it for $$$ or were they forced to protect themselves and their families from the same folks that protected Marciano?

    "'Amazing recovery by Eddie Ross after being KO'd by Rocky Marciano the previous day,"' (BoxRec) …in less than 24 hours 170 lb Eddie Ross also fought 160 lb Billy Sparks who had 6 wins 11 losses. Ross fought 10 amateurs with 0-0-0 debut records.

    Eldridge Eatman had 22 wins 20 losses with an abysmal 22% KO's. "'Eatman proved no opposition for Marciano,'" according to BoxRec and the Providence Journal, "'Marciano hit Eatman with a right in the 3rd round and Eatman went down, THOUGH IT DIDN'T APPEAR HE WAS HIT'" ..That's not all,, the last 9 fights Eatman had leading up to his fight with Marciano he went 1 win 8 losses.

    I understand throwing matches also happened before Rocky's time and after Rocky's time. But the 50s boxing era was the pinnacle for corruption and 100% monopolized. Padding records and taking dives didn't happen once a month, it was the daily norm. It factually happened and cannot ever be swept under the carpet.

    During National Prohibition of alcohol (20s & 30s) many Italian Kingpins similar to Al Capone were able to rack in $100 million each year thanks to the overwhelming business opportunity of illegal booze. The majority of extortion and loansharking gangs were Italian. Lucky Luciano, Johnny Torrio, Al Capone, Vito Genovese, John Gotti, Carlo Gambino, thousands of bosses, underbosses and soldiers, it was all Sicilian.

    Marciano was killed flying to Des Moines to pick up $35K from Lew Farrell, a mob underboss. The meeting place was Dowling Catholic High school. Lew Farrell's son Frankie, 22, also died with Marciano when they slammed into an oak tree. Mr. Greedy Infidel knowingly flew during severe weather with an amateur pilot.

    The day after he retired he abandoned his kids and wife to sleep with thousands. He also started his loansharking business–(psychosis and other symptoms he suffered)–@ 1993/08/23 THE ROCK – Sports Illustrated Vault | SI

12. The Marciano Tapes #6 @3:40 Marciano confesses Carmine Vingo hit the back of his head on the plywood flooring. He said, "it so happened that Vingo hit his head on the flooring, and it sent him unconscious. He was paralyzed a little bit in his fingers and hands. There was a change in the ruling, from then on padding was put on the ring of the flooring." Rocky's manager Al Weill said the same thing in Marciano's biography 'Unbeaten', "Vingo hit his head on the flooring, then he went unconscious."

    So after all this time it was the plywood flooring that partially paralyzed Vingo, not Marciano's punch. It's no wonder Vingo said, "I WAS SLAUGHTERED FOR A CROWD" –source: The Saturday Evening Post by Carmine Vingo as told by Seymour Shubin

    Nobody knows how that particular ring in 1949 was actually constructed at that particular venue. Regardless of the flooring, Vingo tooth-pick Bingo was 6' 4" 189 lbs with an abysmal 38% KO's. A closer look at his eighteen opponents:

    #1) Vingo 188¼ vs Barney Metten 192¾ lbs CAREER 6 wins 3 losses with 44% KO's F-LEVEL

    #2) Vingo 187 lbs vs Fred Ramsey 186 lbs CAREER 8 wins 12 losses with 28% KO's F-LEVEL

    #3) Vingo 190 lbs vs Earl Turner 198 lbs CAREER 2 wins 21 losses with 0% KO's F-LEVEL Turner's only purpose was Paddin Records.

    #4) Vingo 190 lbs vs George Washington 187 lbs CAREER 12 wins 33 losses with 17% KO's F-LEVEL Another Paid Diver.

    #5) Vingo 194½ lbs vs Joe Lindsay 182½ lbs CAREER 28 wins 7 losses with 29% KO's C-LEVEL Vingo "LOSES"

    #6) Vingo 194 lbs vs Freddie McManus 179½ lbs CAREER 18 wins 19 losses with 7% KO's F-LEVEL

    #7) Vingo 197 lbs vs Tommy DiGiorgio 183½ lbs CAREER 9 wins 15 losses with 4% KO's F-LEVEL

    #8) Vingo 192 lbs vs Jimmy Walls 189½ lbs CAREER 20 wins 41 losses with 8% KO's F-LEVEL "Another Diver"

    #9) Vingo 189½ lbs vs Tommy DiGiorgio 183½ lbs CAREER 9 wins 15 losses with 4% KO's F-LEVEL "SECOND" time Vingo fights this undercard boxer. Why???

    #10) Vingo 188 lbs vs Johnny Williams 183 lbs CAREER 2 wins 13 losses with 6% KO's F-LEVEL This isn't even boxing anymore. It's charity for the homeless.

    #11) Vingo 188 lbs vs Don Mogard 191¼ lbs CAREER 20 wins 16 losses with 15% KO's F-LEVEL

    #12) Vingo 195 lbs vs Freddie McManus 178 lbs CAREER 18 wins 19 losses with 7% KO's F-LEVEL "SECOND" time Vingo fights this opponent. Why???

    #13) Vingo 195 lbs vs Ernie Conyer 191½ lbs CAREER 5 wins 9 losses with 21% KO's F-LEVEL

    #14) Vingo 185 lbs vs Ernie Conyer 187½ lbs CAREER 5 wins 9 losses with 21% KO's F-LEVEL "SECOND" time Vingo fights this opponent. Why???

    #15) Vingo 188½ lbs vs Joe Modzele 183 lbs CAREER 18 wins 8 losses with 26% KO's D to F-LEVEL Light heavyweights moonlighting as Heavyweights were dime a dozen back then.

    #16) Vingo 192½ lbs vs George Washington 189 lbs CAREER 12 wins 33 losses F-LEVEL "SECOND" time Vingo fights this Diver. Vingo fought "FOUR" opponents "TWICE" within 16 bouts. Why? Even the majority of his opponents have losing records. Why??? This is all very reminiscent of Roland LaStarza's first 37 opponents. This isn't even funny anymore. It's downright shameful.

    #17) Vingo 193 lbs vs Al Robinson 193 lbs CAREER 0 wins 5 losses with 0% KO's F-LEVEL Vingo actually fights a debuting 0-0-0 amateur just before he faces little Rocky. Why???

    #18) Vingo 189 lbs vs Rocky Marciano 180¼ lbs CAREER 49 wins 0 losses with 87.76% KO's B-LEVEL Vingo was completely outclassed and never had a chance from the get-go. I saw their Getty Museum pics and Marciano didn't have a single mark on his face, and his eyes were wide open and clear. What they did to Vingo was a Travesty.

    THE WORST PREDETERMINED 16-2 BOXING RESUME OF ALL TIME

    All this time i was mislead into believing that Vingo was this twenty year old superstar being prepped to become the next Heavyweight champ. Instead he was prepped for SLAUGHTER JUST TO PLEASE A CROWD –Carmine Vingo

13. Rocky's numbers may not lie, but numbers minus context can easily lead to distortion. So let's examine those 13 opponents (not in order) that he supposedly FORCED INTO RETIREMENT instantaneously.

    #1) Amateur Lee Epperson – 0 wins 0 losses. Shameful to even count this as "Forced-Retirement." Retired from what?? He never even had a career. Epperson was probably 15 years old like Walcott and Moore were when they first started.

    #2) Amateur Jimmy Weeks – 0 wins 0 losses. Embarrassing to count this as "Forced-Retirement." Probably another 15 year old.

    #3) Amateur John Edwards – 1 win 1 loss. Y'all gonna count this as "Forced Retirement" also???

    #4) We factually know that ring-worn-n-washed Joe Louis only came back because the IRS-FORCED him to. As soon as IRS took Joe's purse for fightin Rocky he was finally outta there for good!!!!

    #5) Walcott only returned for Marciano-2 for another easy $250K. Walcott received the lions share both fights. Had Walcott continued fightin he would have only received a fraction of that. $250K back then is $2.6 million today. Little Rocky never "Forced-Retirement" upon Walcott,, he "QUIT"!!!!

    #6) Lee Savold age was 36 with 153 bouts. His manager, Bill Daily, asked referee Pete Tomasso to stop the uneven match at the end of the sixth round. "The will was there but not the body," said Daily. "I'm going to advise Lee to retire Tomorrow." Lee didn't even throw a punch, he just stood there like a heavy punching bag. Completely washed Savold was only there for his last Big-Paycheck!!!!

    #7) 254-lb Humphrey "The-Bum" Jackson – 4 wins 2 losses with 28% KO's F-LEVEL Jackson never beat a winning fighter. It only took 0:34 seconds for Jackson to be KO'd in his first fight, and 1:28 in his last fight. The less said about "The-Bum" the better.

    #8) Jimmy Evans – 18 wins 8 losses with 50% KO's F-LEVEL Evans fought 10 opponents with 10 fights or less. Evans weighed 178 lbs. Too many light heavyweights.

    #9) Harry Haft – 12 wins 8 losses with 35% KO's F-LEVEL Harry was only 5' 9" 174 lbs. Isn't this supposed to be the Heavyweight division???

    #10) Gino Buonvino – 24 wins 15 losses with 10% KO's F-LEVEL Marciano fights Buonvino "TWICE" ..why???

    #11) Eldridge Eatman – 22 wins 21 losses with 22% KO's F-LEVEL Marciano fought Eatman who had just lost 8 of his last 9 fights Rocky's handlers were afraid to put him in with anyone decent after coming so close to losing against LaStarza. "'Eatman proved no opposition for Marciano,'" according to BoxRec and the Providence Journal, "'Marciano hit Eatman with a right in the 3rd round and Eatman went down, THOUGH IT DIDN'T APPEAR HE WAS HIT'" ..Eatman's profession was paddin records.

    #12) Pete Louthis was 32-13-5 with 35% KO's F-LEVEL Pete fought amateur Willie James with a 0-0-0 debut record only 2 fights before facing Marciano. Pete fought 10 amateurs with 0-0-0 debut records. For Pete's sake he also fought another 20 opponents that had 10 or less fights.

    #13) Carmine Vingo — 16 wins 2 losses with 38% KO's looks okay until you see ALL 16 wins came against F-LEVEL opponents. The Marciano Tapes #6 @3:40 Marciano confesses Carmine Vingo hit the back of his head on the plywood flooring. He said, "it so happened that Vingo hit his head on the flooring, and it sent him unconscious. He was paralyzed a little bit in his fingers and hands. There was a change in the ruling, from then on padding was put on the ring of the flooring." Rocky's manager Al Weill said the same thing in Marciano's biography 'Unbeaten', "Vingo hit his head on the flooring, then he went unconscious."

    So it was the plywood flooring that partially paralyzed Vingo, not Marciano's punch. It's no wonder Vingo said, "I WAS SLAUGHTERED FOR A CROWD" –source: The Saturday Evening Post by Carmine Vingo as told by Seymour Shubin

    After all this time i was mislead into believing that Vingo was this twenty year old superstar being prepped to become the next Heavyweight champ. Instead he was prepped for SLAUGHTER JUST TO PLEASE A CROWD –Carmine Vingo

    IT APPEARS LITTLE ROCKY DID NOT FORCE-RETIRE ""ANY"" OF THESE BOXERS

14. Marciano fans describe him as being so fierce that he practically killed all 49 of his opponents in the ring. Y'all have these vids saturated with so much exaggerated nonsense that it's laughable.

    Little Marciano was faster than a speeding bullet, more powerful than a locomotive, able to leap tall buildings in a single bound. The Italian infant of Krypton was Superman. He broke 1,247 bones, knocked out 4,679 teeth, and ruptured 792 blood vessels. I also know for a fact that little Rocky is god , because when he walked the earth shook.

    If little Rocky was so-powerful why didn't he ever break any bones??? He never broke one rib, one nose, one eye-socket, one jaw or detached one retina. Exactly who's bones did he break??? Waiting,, Tic Toc Tic Toc… ""NOBODY""!!!! ""ZERO""!!!!

    Roland LaStarza with all his supposed "Broken Bones" and "Ruptured Blood Vessels" only had to have 'minor' surgery. Y'all act as if both his arms were decapitated. LaStarza simply had miniscule bone-chips removed from his elbow just like David Tua did after his fight with Ibeabuchi. It is a common boxing injury because everyone blocks punches using their forearms and elbows. Besides LaStarza said, "I already had elbow problems before i even fought Marciano." I have the article. When Roland left boxing he went on to a very lucrative TV acting career.

    Here's the newspaper article about Layne's tooth: "Rex Layne lost a left upper tooth..the tooth broke at the gums when Marciano caught the Utahn in the mouth with a full right hand. Layne was taken immediately after the fight to a New York dentist to have the teeth X-rayed and also for treatment on a broken tooth." Layne's handlers said, "the tooth went out with the gumshield."

    Rex only sustained "ONE" broken tooth! He fought Charles exactly 3 months later so what's the big deal??? Folks break their teeth all the time skateboarding or slippin-n-fallin on the ice.

    "He punched out almost every tooth in Rex Lyne's mouth and sent his gum guard into the crowd. It take massive power to do that. If Layne was 6'6 240+ it wouldn't of made any difference." — written by a-typical Marciano Fanboy 12 years ago.

15. Soft spoken Lennox Lewis at his best was the total package. When he fought seriously he was pretty much untouchable. The last undisputed Super Heavyweight champion emerged as cream of the crop against some of the biggest punchers in Heavyweight history.

    Lewis avenged his only two defeats by knockout. He didn't make excuses for his only two losses, he said, "It's Heavyweights, you can get caught, but i won the rematches in style," and "Show me a Heavyweight Champion without a loss and i'll show you a fighter that fought a lot of nobodies."

    Lewis haters always say, "but he got knocked out twice ha-ha." Well i say, "Mike Tyson got knocked out FIVE times ha-ha, and Ali lost his best 30 years of retirement from having his faculties traumatized for an entire decade. Watching his head used as catchers mitt 100,000 times was ha-ha. IT'S NOT HOW YOU START IT'S HOW YOU FINISH."

    57 year old Lennox is the GOAT. To hear him talk so clearly and eloquently after going up against 18 Heavyweight Champions is remarkable.

    The 18 HW Champions Lewis faced: Vitali Klitschko, Evander Holyfield, Mike Tyson, Shannon Briggs, Frank Bruno, Tony Tucker, Hasim Rahman, Oliver McCall, Mike Weaver, Henry Akinwande, Tommy Morrison and Ray Mercer were later recognized as WBO champions, British HW champion Gary Mason, European HW champion Jean Chanet, Commonwealth HW champion Derek Williams, Canada HW champion Razor Ruddock, IBF/WBF HW champion Michael Grant, and WBC International HW champion David Tua…*[[ technically not all were 'World' champions but champions nonetheless ]]. Other notable mentions; Olympic HW Silver medalist Riddick Bowe, Olympic HW Gold medalist Tyrell Briggs, Andrew Golota, Zeljko Mavrovic, Frans Botha and Phil Jackson ..Name another Super Heavyweight with a better resume? Only person i can think of is Wladimir Klitschko.

    How many "prime" 200+lb HW Champions
    did 185-lb dwarfism-arms fight? ""ZERO""!!!!
    Imagine little Marciano tryin to fight
    top-notch Super Heavyweights with
    80" to 86" albatross wingspans
    and 40 to 90-lb weight advantages?

    Light heavyweight Ezzard Charles was definitely Marciano's toughest opponent and is the only person that took him 15 rounds even with ALS!!!

    ESPN Ringside – Rocky Marciano @35:01 Bert Sugar said, "His trainer, Ray Arcel said, that even now, at this stage in 51, and then on into the middle 50s, you could see the beginning, the traces of the disease, that would later claim his life, Lou Gehrig's disease in Charles."

    People forget when they talk about the fights between Marciano and Ezzard Charles that Charles was showing symptoms of ALS. William Dettloff’s book Ezzard Charles: A Boxing Life documents that Charles first felt weakness in his limbs, and some numbness, in 1951 – before he battled Rocky Marciano, Charles was already suffering from the symptoms of ALS, (amyotrophic lateral sclerosis), also known as “Lou Gehrig’s disease.” It is notable when around the time Charles lost to Joe Walcott in 1951, Dettloff records that his family had noticed signs of what they would learn later was ALS.

    In summary: Ray Arcel who loved Ezzard like a son, said, "Charles had traces of ALS in 51." Ezzard's own family members said, "they noticed signs of ALS in 51." Ezzard Charles (himself) said he, "felt weakness in his limbs, and some numbness, in 51."

    Trying to deny the fact that Charles had weakness in his limbs (ALS) against Marciano in 1954 is not possible because the eye test does not lie. It happened and is well documented so it can never be swept under the carpet. That horrible Motor neurone gene presented itself in 1951 if not earlier. Ezzard Charles was only 53 when he passed – Rest easy champ.

16. When "The President" Nigerian Ike Ibeabuchi met "The Tuamanator" Samoan David Tua the Nigerian got out to an insanely fast start, throwing 91 punches in round one according to CompuBox, 91 again in round two, and 95 in round three, obscene numbers for a Heavyweight. By the final bell, Ibeabuchi and Tua had combined to throw 1,730 punches, breaking the Heavyweight record set by Ali vs. Frazier III, when they combined for 1,591 punches – in 14 rounds, two rounds more than Ibeabuchi and Tua had to work with. Ike threw 975 punches, the most ever by a single Heavyweight. Both fighters had a brawling fight style, they were both 24 years old at the time of this epic "tribal" battle and they were both undefeated going in to this fight. 226lb Tua's record stood at 27-0-0 23KO's while 236lb Ibeabuchi's record stood at 16-0-0 12KO's. This fight is the stuff that dreams were made of. Two Super Heavyweight warriors stood toe to toe exhibiting exceptional heart and endurance. Both boxers threw bombs and neither took a backward step.

    ("The Tuamanator" would have obliterated light heavyweights Charles-n-Moore and "The President" woulda walked through little Marciano and Walcott as if they were invisible.)

    Marciano was good during his little post war era three generations ago but he would not be relevant against today's top-notch Super Heavyweights similar to:

    Undefeated 263lb Makhmudov
    Undefeated 248lb Sanchez
    Undefeated 247lb Hrgovic
    Undefeated 245lb Anderson
    Undefeated 275lb Fury just to name a few.

    And then there's so many other real-Heavyweights little Rocky couldn't handle similar to:

    Lewis
    Bowe
    Vitali
    Ruddock
    Witherspoon
    Grant
    Bruno
    Holmes
    Ali
    Foreman
    Liston
    Tyson
    Usyk
    Wladimir
    Ruiz
    Parker
    Ortiz
    Dokes
    Lyle
    Thomas
    Weaver
    Briggs
    Morrison
    Cooney
    Wilder
    I could "easily" list another Twenty-Five!!!

17. ESPN Ringside – Rocky Marciano @35:01 Bert Sugar said, "His trainer, Ray Arcel said, that even now, at this stage in 51, and then on into the middle 50s, you could see the beginning, the traces of the disease, that would later claim his life, Lou Gehrig's disease in Charles."

    People forget when they talk about the fights between Marciano and Ezzard Charles that Charles was showing symptoms of ALS. William Dettloff’s book Ezzard Charles: A Boxing Life documents that Charles first felt weakness in his limbs, and some numbness, in 1951 – before he battled Rocky Marciano, Charles was already suffering from the symptoms of ALS, (amyotrophic lateral sclerosis), also known as “Lou Gehrig’s disease.” It is notable when around the time Charles lost to Joe Walcott in 1951, Dettloff records that his family had noticed signs of what they would learn later was ALS.

    In summary: Ray Arcel who loved Ezzard like a son, said, "Charles had traces of ALS in 51." Ezzard's own family members said, "they noticed signs of ALS in 51." Ezzard Charles (himself) said he, "felt weakness in his limbs, and some numbness, in 51."

    Trying to deny the fact that Charles had weakness in his limbs (ALS) against Marciano in 1954 is not possible because the eye test does not lie. It happened and is well documented so it can never be swept under the carpet. That horrible Motor neurone gene presented itself in 1951 if not earlier. Ezzard Charles was only 53 when he passed – Rest easy champ.

18. Thanks to Don Cuoco & Don Cogswell of the IBRO for information on Rocky's amateur career.

    1946

    1. April 15, 1946 Henry Lester L-DQ3

    AAU Championship Tournament Portland, Oregon August, 1946:
    2. August 23, Frederic L. Ross KO-1
    3. August 23, Richard Jarvis KO-1
    4. August 23, Joe DeAngelis L-3

    1947

    Massachusetts State Amateur Heavyweight Championship, Boston, January, 1947:
    5. January 17, Jim Connolly KO-1
    6. Jan 17, Bob Girard L-3

    1948

    Massachusetts/Rhode Island Golden Gloves Tournament, Lowell, Massachusetts January 1948:
    7. Jan 26, Joe Sidlaskis KO-1
    8. Charlie Mortimer KO-3 (Rocky wins Ma-RI Golden Gloves Tournament)

    New England Tournament of Champions, Feb 1948:
    9. George McInnis TKO-1 (Rocky wins New England Tournament of Champions)

    Golden Gloves All-East Coast Championships, New York, New York March 1948:
    10. March 1, Coley Wallace L-3

    AAU Olympic tryouts in Boston, 1948, March:
    11. Fred Fischera KO
    12. George McGinnis W-3 (Rocky wins AAU Heavyweight Championship

    So little Rocky loses 4-fights in the amateurs, turns pro and in 4 years fights exactly 37-xs. That's 9 fights per year. When did he ever find the time to recuperate??? Well recuperation wouldn't be necessary against Tomato-Cans. His last 3 years he only fought 6-xs then suddenly QUITS at only 31yrs of age. Why???

    Can anyone name an ATG Marciano beat that wasn't Older or Sick or Both??? His resume lacks a prime ATG on it.

    Charles was suffering-n-sick when he fought Rocky. Moore was at least 41 and Joe Louis said, "Walcott was older than he was." Louis had his first pro fight in 1934 and Walcott had his first pro fight in 1930 when little rocky was only SEVEN years old.

    Louis, Walcott, Charles, and Moore had a combined (480) fights. Marciano only had (49).

    All the excuses in the world cannot change any of these facts. And trying to say this guy was on a 21 fight win-streak or that guy was on an 8 fight win-streak does not automatically mean they were prime. What matters is the eye test cus the ?️?️ don't lie. Charles was too weak and faded both-xs. Moore's endurance was completely faded by the 3rd or 4th round. Walcott faded and kept gettin stuck on the ropes from the 9th onward.

19. Archie Moore went on a 21 fight streak before he faced Rocky Marciano. Moore's numbers may not lie, but numbers minus context can easily lead to distortion. So let's examine those SEVENTEEN opponents (not in order).

    Bobo Olson 170 lbs WHERE'S THE HEAVYWEIGHTS?
    Clinton Bacon 170 lbs WHERE'S THE HEAVYWEIGHTS?
    Harold Johnson 170 lbs WHERE'S THE HEAVYWEIGHTS?
    Harold Johnson TWICE WHERE'S THE HEAVYWEIGHTS?
    Joey Maxim 174 lbs WHERE'S THE HEAVYWEIGHTS?
    Joey Maxim TWICE WHERE'S THE HEAVYWEIGHTS?
    Joey Maxim THRICE WHERE'S THE HEAVYWEIGHTS?
    Dogomar Martinez 175 lbs WHERE'S THE HEAVYWEIGHTS?
    Sonny Andrews 177 lbs WHERE'S THE HEAVYWEIGHTS?
    Rinaldo Ansaloni 178 lb WHERE'S THE HEAVYWEIGHTS?
    Jimmy Slade 180 lbs WHERE'S THE HEAVYWEIGHTS?
    Bob Dunlap 180 lbs WHERE'S THE HEAVYWEIGHTS?
    Clarence Henry 184 lbs WHERE'S THE HEAVYWEIGHTS?
    Toxie Hall 188 lbs WHERE'S THE HEAVYWEIGHTS?
    Bert Whitehurst 186 lbs WHERE'S THE HEAVYWEIGHTS?

    Frank Buford 199 lbs had a career 22 wins 32 losses F-LEVEL with 2% KOs.
    Al Spaulding 210 lbs had a career 25 wins 27 losses F-LEVEL with an abysmal 24% KOs.
    Leonard Dugan 209 lbs had a career 6 wins 2 losses D-LEVEL with an abysmal 25% KOs.
    Bob Baker 209 lbs had a career 51 wins 16 losses D-LEVEL with an abysmal 29% KOs.
    Nino Valdes 209 lbs had a career 48 wins 18 losses C-minus LEVEL
    with a low-power 51% KOs.
    Nino Valdes TWICE

    How can anyone possibly compare Marciano to Moore??? It never was an even playing field.. How many fights did Moore have before he faced Marciano??? "ONE HUNDRED SEVENTY EIGHT" ..give little Rocky 178 fights and put him the same age as Moore what happens??? Light heavyweight Moore beats light heavyweight Marciano 10 out of 10 times!!!!

    Marciano's #1 critique has ALWAYS been that Louis, Walcott, Charles and Moore were not prime. Moore was factually born in 1913 and Marciano in 1923. Rocky fans only defence is, "but but Moore was on a 21 fight win streak before he fought Marciano." Well analyze those 17 opponents. The 5 Heavyweights were C-minus to F-LEVEL opposition, and his best opponents were genuine light heavyweights. Correct??? Charles, Moore, Matthews, Cockell, Johnson, Bivins, etc. were all genuine light heavyweights. Correct??? A prime 220lb Mike Tyson or a prime 230lb David Tua or a prime 225lb Riddick Bowe takes out all these light heavyweights in only 1 or 2 rounds.

    MARCIANO NEVER FACED AN ELITE FIGHTER IN HIS PRIME. NAME ONE, JUST ONE PRIME ELITE FIGHTER MARCIANO BEAT??? FAILING TO NAME EVEN ONE PROVES MY COMMENT RINGS TRUE… SHOW ME ANY RESPECTED BOXING PUBLICATION OR ANALYST THAT CLAIMS WALCOTT, CHARLES AND MOORE WERE IN THEIR PRIME WHEN THEY FOUGHT MARCIANO??? TIC-TOC TIC-TOC

20. It's interesting how people who experienced watching Marciano in real time don't hold him in the same high regard as folks later on in spite the multitude of great fighters who came on the scene after he quit (Ali, Frazier, Foreman, Holmes, Tyson, Lewis, Bowe, Holyfield, Klitschko's, etc.). There's a lot of mythology with Marciano and a lot of selective memory about his career. He was brilliantly managed to preserve his undefeated record.

    But the reality is heart and determination can only get you so far when you're sorely lacking in the physical tools the other greats have. Americans love to glamorize the underdog who gets it done in spite of their limitation, just look at the success of Stallone and his Rocky movie franchise, the movie Rudy, Hoosiers, etc.

    It is also interesting how the same people who want to consider Rocky the greatest Heavyweight because he was undefeated are reluctant to consider Mayweather the greatest pound for pound. Why is that? It's just flat lazy to look at 49-0 and conclude that he must be the best ever. Based on that, then you MUST consider Floyd Mayweather the greatest pound for pound fighter of all-time since he's 50-0,, right?

21. Funny how the folks who wanna consider little Rocky the greatest Heavyweight simply becus he was undefeated are reluctant to consider Mayweather the greatest pound for pound. Why is that? It's just flat lazy to look at 49-0 and conclude that he must be the best ever. Based on that, then you MUST consider Floyd Mayweather the greatest pound for pound fighter of all-time since he's 50-0, right?

    Mayweather was named "Fighter of the Decade" for the 2010s by the Boxing Writers Association of America (BWAA), a two-time winner of The Ring magazine's Fighter of the Year award (1998 and 2007), a three-time winner of the BWAA Fighter of the Year award (2007, 2013, and 2015), and a six-time winner of the Best Fighter ESPY Award (2007–2010, 2012–2014). In 2016, ESPN ranked him the greatest boxer, pound for pound, of the last 25 years. As of May 2021, BoxRec ranks him the greatest boxer of all time, pound for pound. Many sporting news and boxing websites, including The Ring, Sports Illustrated, ESPN, BoxRec, Fox Sports, and Yahoo! Sports, ranked Mayweather as the best pound-for-pound boxer in the world twice in a span of ten years.

    Since the existence of CompuBox, Mayweather is the most accurate puncher among professional boxers, having the highest plus–minus ratio in recorded boxing history. He has a record of 26 consecutive wins in world title fights (10 by KO), 23 wins (9 KOs) in lineal title fights, 24 wins (7 KOs) against former or current world titlists, 12 wins (3 KOs) against former or current lineal champions, and 5 wins (1 KO) against International Boxing Hall of Fame inductees. He was inducted into the International Boxing Hall of Fame in the class of 2021.

    Mayweather is one of the most lucrative pay-per-view attractions of all time, in any sport. He topped the Forbes and Sports Illustrated lists of the 50 highest-paid athletes of 2012 and 2013, and the Forbes list again in both 2014 and 2015, as the highest-paid athlete in the world. In 2006, he founded his own boxing promotional firm, Mayweather Promotions, after leaving Bob Arum's Top Rank. He has generated approximately 24 million PPV buys and $1.67 billion in revenue throughout his career, surpassing the likes of former top PPV attractions including Mike Tyson, Evander Holyfield, Lennox Lewis and Oscar De La Hoya. In 2018, he was the highest-paid athlete in the world, with total earnings, including endorsements, of $285 million, according to Forbes. In November, 2021, Sportico released an all-time athlete earnings list, in which Mayweather ranked no. 6 of all time, totaling an inflation-adjusted $1.2 billion in his career.

22. What Muhammad Ali did inside and outside of the ring was an historical social phenomenon and master class entertainment. It will never be duplicated in a thousand years. Little Rocky may not be forgotten but he'll basically be ignored in only one or two generations while Muhammad's legacy will live on for centuries!

    Muhammad Ali is the only boxer to be named The Ring magazine Fighter of the Year six times, and was involved in more Ring "Fight of the Year" bouts than any other fighter. He was inducted into the Hall of Fame in its first year and held wins over seven other Hall of Fame inductees.

    Ali appeared on the cover of Sports Illustrated on 38 different occasions, second only to Michael Jordan's 46. He also appeared on the cover of Time Magazine 5 times, the most of any athlete.

    Ali was crowned Sportsman of the Century by Sports Illustrated and was named Athlete of the Century by USA Today. He was presented with the Presidential Citizens Medal by Clinton and received the Presidential Medal of Freedom from Bush.

    In 2015, Sports Illustrated renamed its Sportsman Legacy Award to the Sports Illustrated's Muhammad Ali Legacy Award. In June 2016, an amendment to the US draft laws were named after Ali, a proposal to eliminate the Selective Service System.

    The Muhammad Ali Boxing Reform Act was passed in 2000, to protect the rights and welfare of boxers in the United States.

    As a world champion boxer and pop culture icon, Muhammad Ali was the subject of numerous creative works including books, films, music, video games, TV shows, and other.

    Muhammad Ali was often dubbed the world's "most famous" person in the media. Several of his fights were watched by an estimated 2 billion viewers between 1974 and 1980, and his lighting of the torch at the 1996 Atlanta Olympics was watched by an estimated 3.5 billion viewers.

    He also wrote several bestselling books about his career, including The Greatest: My Own Story and The Soul of a Butterfly.

    When We Were Kings, a 1996 documentary about the Rumble in the Jungle, won the Academy Award for Best Documentary Feature. The 2001 biopic Ali garnered a Best Actor Oscar nomination for Will Smith for his portrayal of Ali.

    In 2002, Ali was honored with a star on the Hollywood Walk of Fame for his contributions to the entertainment industry. His star is the only one to be mounted on a vertical surface, out of deference to his request that the name Muhammad—not be walked upon.

    Documentary filmmaker Ken Burns created the four-part documentary film Muhammad Ali, spanning over eight hours on Ali's life. Burns worked on the film from early 2016 and it was released in September 2021 on PBS. Dave Zirin, who watched an 8-hour rough cut of this documentary, called it "utterly outstanding" and said "the footage they found will blow minds."

23. Out of all the boxers in history why is little Marciano the only-one that must be defended through QUOTES??? Quote after quote after endless quotes. Cuz y'all can't defend him with-is resume alone!!!

    Quotes are spec·u·la·tion /ˌspekyəˈlāSH(ə)n/ noun, and speculation is the forming of a theory or conjecture without firm evidence.. Similar: opinion, hypothesize, guess, surmise, notion, prediction, forecast, gamble, venture, risk.

    Just cuz Muhammad Ali said, "Marciano "Might" have beaten me," does that make it true?? "Might" does not mean would have. It means maybe or possibly.

    Holmes said, "Rocky couldn't carry his jockstrap," does that make it true??

    Funniest Quote is Don Turner saying, "Marciano could beat both Klitschko brothers at the same time in the same round." Who actually believes that??

    Foreman recently listed his own top-10 greatest Heavyweights of all time yet he didn't even include himself. Why?? Because it's called being humble, showing ones respects, or creating an image.

    Ali's famous speech directly after he KO'd Foreman:
    "EVERYBODY STOP TALKING NOW"
    "I TOLD Y'ALL I WAS THE GREATEST OF ALL TIME"
    "I TOLD Y'ALL I'M STILL THE GREATEST OF ALL TIME"
    [ Does that sound lik' Ali is conceding to little dwarfism-arms? ]

    Find "ONE" professional boxer, manager, boxing historian or trainer that has little Rocky ranked higher than the cultural phenomenon Muhammad Ali.

    No need for speculative Quotes to protect Muhammad Ali cuz his resume speaks for itself.

    No need for speculative Quotes to protect Lennox Lewis cuz his resume speaks for itself.

    No need for speculative Quotes to protect Larry Holmes cuz his resume speaks for itself.

    No need for speculative Quotes to protect Wladimir Klitschko cuz his resume speaks for itself.

    On the other hand little Rocky's resume needs serious help cuz it's horrendous,, hence all the futile Quotes to protect him.

24. In boxing, having an unbeaten record is considered a significant achievement. Boxers with unbeaten records are highly regarded and seen as the greatest in the sport. Rocky Marciano's "0" "ZERO" meant everything!!! Without it he wouldn't be ranked top-20. Only "ONE" loss would have changed his entire boxing legacy.

    Since so much emphasis is put on the "perfect record" can someone please explain why Rocky's opponents Charles Walcott Moore Savold Lowry Layne Cockell Wilson Shkor Walls Henri Simmons Eatman Muscato and Beshore LOST "FOUR HUNDRED ELEVEN" (("411")) TIMES yet that's acceptable???

    Charles Lost (25) times
    Walcott Lost (20) times
    Moore Lost (23) times
    Savold Lost (45) times
    Lowry Lost (68) times
    Layne Lost (17) times
    Cockell Lost (14) times
    Wilson Lost (27) times
    Shkor Lost (19) times
    Walls Lost (41) times
    Henri Lost (29) times
    Simmons (22) times
    Eatman (21) times
    Muscato (23) times
    Beshore (17) times
    (and many more with double digit losses,, the list is too long)

    IF ""0"" IS THE ONLY THING THAT MATTERS THEN ALL OF ROCKY'S OPPONENTS WERE ""HORSESHIT""!!!! ..correct??

    Combined Wilder and Joshua only have 5 losses yet they're already being thrown under the bus by Rocky fanboys.

    If Fury or Usyk attains a Single-Loss their chances for top-10 will instantaneously vanish and their legacy will all but disappear.. Oh,, but of course,, it's perfectly fine that Walcott Charles Moore gets a free pass for their 68 losses simply becus they fought mr little tighty whitey

25. Since the 80s 'The Ring' always seems to have little Marciano ranked in the top-3. Yet I've seen other polls where he's not ranked in the top-10. Polls and rankings are only opinionated from folks just lik' us. Keep in mind that the 'The Ring' excludes WEIGHT as a factor from their results. For seven years little Marciano only averaged 184lbs. How the hell does a little 184lb man rank higher than dozens of genuine 200+lbs Heavyweights and 224+lbs Super Heavyweights?? Perfect example being 6' 7" 250 pound Vitali Klitschko who never hit the canvas and only lost twice due to torn rotator-cuff and severe cut.

    Anybody who really understands boxing also understands rankings should always be taken with a grain of salt.

    I could "easily" list 30-top-notch Heavyweights and Super Heavyweights from the 90s to the 2020s who would obliterate tiny dwarfism-arms.

    Lewis
    Bowe
    Vitali
    Ruddock
    Witherspoon
    Grant
    Bruno
    Holmes
    Ali
    Foreman
    Tyson
    Wladimir
    Ruiz
    Parker
    Ortiz
    Dokes
    Lyle
    Thomas
    Holyfield
    Weaver
    Briggs
    Morrison
    Cooney
    Wilder
    Undefeated 263lb Makhmudov
    Undefeated 248lb Sanchez
    Undefeated 247lb Hrgovic
    Undefeated 245lb Anderson
    Undefeated 275lb Fury
    Undefeated 222lb Usyk

    Little Marciano's two best opponents were light heavyweights. What a Joke.

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