Why Are There So Many of EVERYTHING On Battleships?
In this episode we’re talking about redundancy on board certain types of ships.
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LCS (Little Crappie Ships) have redundancy in fixing cracks in their hulls if that counts. ?
we need iowa class bb's inservice right now!
Thank God the LCS' will all be de-commissioned soon! That program was the biggest waste of money in U.S. Navy history. They could have directed those billions to a modernization program for the Perrys. Instead, they spent money scrapping those, BILLIONS on the utterly useless LCS program, and, now, they have to spend even more to get rid of them, and, replace them with a whole new class of proper FFG.
2 is 1, 1 is none.
One HUGE fact you have to remember – each LCS weighs roughly ONE of New Jersey's TURRETS. They're 3,500 ton Frigates/Corvettes, but they still carry plenty of redundancy: two main propulsion diesels and two gas turbines split between two watertight spaces, four diesel generators with switchboards split between two watertight spaces, critical equipment has battery backup, most ship's systems can be controlled from each of the four damage control lockers in addition to the bridge, etc. You're completely correct in saying there are no hands cranks to be found though.
Gah, the lack of consistency due to self- serving politics in the LCS naming drives me nuts. Independence and Freedom are fine, if you're going to maintain the pattern. Cooperstown and Billings are great, if you maintain the pattern. Gabby Gifford? C'mon…
Redundancy in design is what took us to the moon and also saved 3 astronauts on a particular occasion.
My wife and I toured this ship last week. What a piece of work. So rugged and much larger than I thought it was on the inside. And the wiring….. holy cow. Cudos for the museum crew! This must've been no small project. Great video (as always).
Wait, turret batteries?
Do the emergency generators have the capacity to operate the ship's combat systems by themselves?
Even on merchant vessels there are numerous redundancies. There's a saying: "Have two of the things you like, and three of the things you really like!"
On a different tack, when it is said 'went in for a refit', what are the main elements or tasks of a 'refit'?
Hearing our current warship design philosophy, I'm reminded of Mike Tyson's line: "Everyone has a plan until they're punched in a face"
When the British HMS Sheffield was hit by a dud Excocet the main centralized fire main was knocked out and all the crew could do was watch her burn.
So if the Battleship NJ was an aircraft it would be a A10 Warthog..
Ryan if you were to go to war in the ship in WW2 what rank would you choose and what job?
Of all the battleships sunk since the start of WW I, I wonder how many were sunk by torpedoes, how many by bombs dropped from planes, and how many by shells fired from other battleships or cruisers.
im reminded of Star Trek DS9 episode.
O'BRIEN: Well, in order to bring the system up to Starfleet code, I had to take out the couplings to make room for a secondary backup.
GILORA: Starfleet code requires a second backup?
O'BRIEN: In case the first backup fails.
GILORA: What are the chances that both a primary system and its backup would fail at the same time?
O'BRIEN: It's very unlikely, but in a crunch I wouldn't like to be caught without a second backup.
LCSs were a collasal waste of money. Good riddance
LCS ..what a waste
Redundancy isn't found just on battleships. The first computer system I worked on in the USAF had multiple backups. We had logic A and B. Either alone or any combination and the system worked. Plus we had offline spares for each drawer, power supply, keyboard, printer, and modem. We had two keyboards and printers. If one printer was down, a message addressed to it would be printed on the other printer. We had two dedicated telephone lines. We had a backup diesel generator incase we lost commercial power. I think that qualifies as a very redundant system.
63rd, 13 October 2023
Thanks for another great video. Question… what was the process for flooding a magazine? How many locations could it be done from and how quickly would the process take? Thanks again and keep up the great work.
I will say that a couple of Iowas would be good right about now in the south east Mediterranean. If you know what I mean. ?
lets see the turret battery backup space and batteries if they are still there. That would be super cool
A BB has room for all that redundancy. An LCS does not. I bet any carrier, SVN, LHA, whatever, has as much redundancy as a BB.
All the brass visible in this video looks great!
Battleship New Jersy is amazing.
Ryan
As an ex navy electricians mate, I'm afraid I freaked out when you stuck that emergency power cable lead into that EP receptacle.
I've been out for 40+ years, and I still respect the danger those "biscuits" represent.
Star Trek Enterprise had a backup Auxiliary Control Center.
Sorry your bear lost
Did any of the Iowa class battleships ever take a shell or torpedo hit during any of the wars they participated in?
There was an also a redundancy in personnel. There were so many crew on an Iowa Battleship that it was easy for someone to man a station if the main system went down. It’s harder to do with a smaller crew since you can quickly run out of personnel.
I’ve always wondered why none of the ships had a rudder on the bow. It’s not like loss of rudder control has never happened. I remember hearing that Vanguard considered installing one but they found it didn’t work as well as they thought it would and so it was deleted. This reasoning didn’t ring true to me as some control would be better than none in an emergency. It also potentially could turn the ship faster than just a stern rudder or 2.
Can we see the battery backup rooms to the main guns?
Good one
The comparison wouldn't be fair. An Iowa could just ram an LCS and sink it. Chances are the engines for the LCS wouldn't be working nor the guns have any ammo. There should be some court martials and keel hauling for people behind that program.
LCS – Literally Crappiest Ship